tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post3597720507157443312..comments2024-03-28T17:50:54.630-07:00Comments on Deity Shmeity: ExplanationsGrundyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07339125862340793733noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-6468017626341937892013-06-09T15:24:28.244-07:002013-06-09T15:24:28.244-07:00Stefan, there are many, like you, who after having...Stefan, there are many, like you, who after having to deal with a lot of trauma in their lives, found a religious dogma they felt they could cling to and it helped. If that's the case, so be it. As far as what I meant by "edits," for many, many centuries the Popes ruled with iron fists and decided what was truth and what was not. Study the periods of the Crusades, Inquisition, and Anna Mariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11945983971515869500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-74632440760444157532013-06-08T19:35:14.621-07:002013-06-08T19:35:14.621-07:00Anna Maria... I am sorry to hear about these diffi...Anna Maria... I am sorry to hear about these difficult times. Although nothing happened to me, we had a priest with a history moved to our parish. The culture of secrets and scandal within the Church is finally being aired out, but way too late. The damage to trust caused by these events to so many disgusts me and I pray that healing may happen for everyone. Granted I am only a 30 year old Stefan Schwarzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02373172351874640266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-13126426528774379282013-06-08T14:03:06.653-07:002013-06-08T14:03:06.653-07:00Stefan...the only "evidence" we have has...Stefan...the only "evidence" we have has been edited by the Catholic Church for 2000 years. I was raised Catholic and remained one for 35 years before I could see the fallacy of it. My cousin and I "saw" a vision of an "angel" who spoke to us when we were seven years old. I had a nervous breakdown when that cousin died in his Marine Jet because my witness was no Anna Mariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11945983971515869500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-20298601923511487332013-06-08T12:35:06.191-07:002013-06-08T12:35:06.191-07:00Grundy, no problem, you too.
Sorry about the late...Grundy, no problem, you too.<br /><br />Sorry about the lateness of my reply, busy week.<br /><br />Anna Maria, I guess I am not as concerned as to whether an explanation is natural or supernatural. I also am not concerned as to whether a theory is simple or complex. I am concerned if it is true. An explanation is only as useful in regards to how much it matches what is true.<br /><br />I am Stefan Schwarzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02373172351874640266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-12225671973940059172013-06-05T08:03:08.810-07:002013-06-05T08:03:08.810-07:00"The explanations offered by Grundy and other..."The explanations offered by Grundy and others in the comments for the resurrection are overly simplistic and don't account for a solution that incorporates all the evidence."<br /><br />The problem for over 2000 years is how complicated and "divine" the crucifixion of Jesus Christ by the Romans has become.<br /><br />We have no "evidence" other than what others Anna Mariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11945983971515869500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-63232359048295721542013-06-05T07:43:36.213-07:002013-06-05T07:43:36.213-07:00I hope you keep reading, Stefan, and call me out w...I hope you keep reading, Stefan, and call me out when I get things wrong.Grundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07339125862340793733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-90627369366291334972013-06-05T07:42:13.178-07:002013-06-05T07:42:13.178-07:00Ah, the Jesus stunt double theory. :-)Ah, the Jesus stunt double theory. :-)Grundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07339125862340793733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-67648984828409769752013-06-04T15:59:42.795-07:002013-06-04T15:59:42.795-07:00TWF, thanks, :). I'm usually careful, I have g...TWF, thanks, :). I'm usually careful, I have generally held my own with others in discussions and suppose I am used to people getting upset because I challenge people to search for the truth and challenge what I believe. I don't usually post on atheist sites. It is nice to find people open to discussing things and searching for intellectual integrity. As far as the books, in the end, Stefan Schwarzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02373172351874640266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-35977187235245080602013-06-04T13:55:33.765-07:002013-06-04T13:55:33.765-07:00Hi Stefan. I don't think you'll find a de...Hi <b>Stefan</b>. I don't think you'll find a den of lions here. <b>Grundy</b> doesn't seem to attract them in general. :-)<br /><br />I read <i>The Case for Christ</i>, oh, it must be at least over a decade ago. I've also watched the documentary version, maybe a few years ago? As I remember, you are right, in that Strobel does do a good job laying out the case. However, I TWFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06016277303703254572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-27250246096433207112013-06-04T12:15:12.665-07:002013-06-04T12:15:12.665-07:00I found it interesting because of the writers lega...I found it interesting because of the writers legal, journalistic and atheistic/agnostic viewpoints at the beginning of his search. He seemed to fairly investigate the person of Jesus using his training. It is worth a look. I do enjoy reading atheistic perspectives. It challenges me to not accept things without further investigation. Keep 'em comin'!Stefan Schwarzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02373172351874640266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-30200967497833889992013-06-04T10:43:12.584-07:002013-06-04T10:43:12.584-07:00Since the Islamic view is a near copy-cat of the h...Since the Islamic view is a near copy-cat of the hardline Jewish/Christian views of ancient times, I suppose that's plausible. Anna Mariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11945983971515869500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-79493845038699061132013-06-04T07:49:59.511-07:002013-06-04T07:49:59.511-07:00The Islamic theory states that Jesus wasn't cr...The Islamic theory states that Jesus wasn't crucified and that a look-alike was substituted for him on the cross. The Thinkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14303015383137218932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-51291219324585595702013-06-04T07:48:49.225-07:002013-06-04T07:48:49.225-07:00When you keep in mind these story's were hande...When you keep in mind these story's were handed down mouth to mouth for hundreds of years before they became "scripture," it's plausible they added the "change" of appearance as being "miraculous" rather than an effect of him "almost" being tortured to death. He was likely a little paler. ;)Anna Mariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11945983971515869500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-56536699308685226912013-06-04T07:41:55.116-07:002013-06-04T07:41:55.116-07:00Jesus was only mostly-dead, which means he was sli...Jesus was only mostly-dead, which means he was slightly-alive! (Princess Bride reference.) It's possible, as is an imposter.Grundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07339125862340793733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-56482555851362737632013-06-04T07:40:23.241-07:002013-06-04T07:40:23.241-07:00I'm not in the market of reading apologetics o...I'm not in the market of reading apologetics or atheist books right now. I've read an equal quantity of both, and have since opted to come to my own thoughts rather than adopting others'.Grundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07339125862340793733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-19977038476738765342013-06-04T07:38:05.492-07:002013-06-04T07:38:05.492-07:00Actually, aliens visiting earth and abducting peop...Actually, aliens visiting earth and abducting people doesn't violate a field of science like a resurrection would violate all we know about biology...so I'd say E.T.s hanging out around here is even more likely.Grundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07339125862340793733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-28346501468675058262013-06-04T07:20:18.713-07:002013-06-04T07:20:18.713-07:00That's definitely an interesting perspective, ...That's definitely an interesting perspective, and it does explain a lot of it pretty well. The only difficulty I have with it is that when Jesus appeared after the resurrection he was in a different form (see mark 16:12 for example). It's possible that he was in disguise or something, but it sounded more to me like he was in another body. Perhaps the resurrected Jesus was just an impostor.Hausdorffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01690401058367596952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-34632471620266349882013-06-04T06:28:52.268-07:002013-06-04T06:28:52.268-07:00I've been inclined to think for many years tha...I've been inclined to think for many years that Jesus didn't really die on the cross. That he was taken down before his death, after passing out from pain, according to a lot written about it. If he did survive, it certainly would have been kept a secret from the Romans until he had a chance to "disappear"...and centuries later the Christians came up with the idea he was "Anna Mariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11945983971515869500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-91358351619399079732013-06-03T21:10:39.138-07:002013-06-03T21:10:39.138-07:00I wouldn't be completely opposed to such a thi...I wouldn't be completely opposed to such a thing, I've read <a href="http://hausdorffbb.blogspot.com/search/label/The%20Problem%20of%20Pain" rel="nofollow">other</a> <a href="http://hausdorffbb.blogspot.com/search/label/Is%20God%20Just%20a%20Human%20Invention" rel="nofollow">apologetics</a> books, the problem was there was nothing new in them, I didn't even finish the second one. I Hausdorffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01690401058367596952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-48051997490935179192013-06-03T21:09:24.452-07:002013-06-03T21:09:24.452-07:00Miracles by definition are the least likely events...Miracles by definition are the least likely events, so to assert that a miracle is the most probable explanation, is to say the least likely is the most likely. The Thinkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14303015383137218932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-39141815203408376652013-06-03T20:45:10.387-07:002013-06-03T20:45:10.387-07:00I could be walking into a den of lions, but would ...I could be walking into a den of lions, but would anyone be willing to read the book, The Case For Christ by Lee Strobel. It offers a journalistic approach in search of facts about Jesus. If anyone is actually curious and wanting to step outside of their comfort zone...Stefan Schwarzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02373172351874640266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-35209204725517463922013-06-03T20:17:40.344-07:002013-06-03T20:17:40.344-07:00I obviously agree with you Cephus. But people are ...I obviously agree with you Cephus. But people are told that miracles happen, and the fact that they are impossible is what makes them impressive. If you try to explain to them why it is obviously ridiculous you just hit a wall, at least that's what I've experienced.<br /><br />Honestly, I think a lot of the problem is that people are trained to think faith is a virtue. If believing Hausdorffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01690401058367596952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-73986819099697517632013-06-03T18:38:17.742-07:002013-06-03T18:38:17.742-07:00I have been thinking a lot about these strange cla...I have been thinking a lot about these strange claims recently. And what you have shown here is that anything is possible but not probable. And for it to be possible you need to show that the probability exists. In the case of the supernatural you have to show the existence of the supernatural to make it probable.<br /><br />Great Post.Christianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01243905647317437724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-73931102195186521952013-06-03T18:35:18.103-07:002013-06-03T18:35:18.103-07:00LOL. This is most probably the best explanation I ...LOL. This is most probably the best explanation I have heard for the resurrection not being true.Christianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01243905647317437724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-79616542478143770232013-06-03T18:27:32.248-07:002013-06-03T18:27:32.248-07:00The problem is, people can't be resurrected an...The problem is, people can't be resurrected and that's why it's ridiculous. There's no better reason to believe in a bodily resurrection than there is to believe that aliens abduct people in their beds or molest cows. Something being impossible doesn't make it impressive, it just makes it absurd.Cephushttp://bitchspot.jadedragononline.comnoreply@blogger.com