tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post718763778364141374..comments2024-03-11T21:16:59.321-07:00Comments on Deity Shmeity: The Pre-Debate QuestionnaireGrundyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07339125862340793733noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-41271351550654678812014-07-01T03:13:50.819-07:002014-07-01T03:13:50.819-07:001. What specific religion best represents you? Isl...1. What specific religion best represents you? Islam<br />2. What doctrine(s) of your religion do you not subscribe to, if any? The assumed sayings of Muhammed (prophetic sayings), most of which are fairy tales derived from other sources.<br />3. Do you accept the Theory of Evolution? Absolutely<br />4. Do you believe in hell and/or the devil? I believe that the devil is one’s own evil impulses; Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-39359094422742167852013-05-16T05:16:34.068-07:002013-05-16T05:16:34.068-07:00I like this idea. When it comes to the theory of e...I like this idea. When it comes to the theory of evolution there are four basic positions a theist can take:<br /><br />1. Evolution is a natural process that was started by god in the beginning; <br />2. Evolution is partly natural process that god occasionally interacts with and guides; <br />3. Evolution is a process that is completely guided by god at every step; or, <br />4. Evolution is The Thinkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14303015383137218932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-84539749365910539532012-12-17T09:01:16.926-08:002012-12-17T09:01:16.926-08:00This is a great idea! For the longest time I had ...This is a great idea! For the longest time I had debated with atheists from a position of ignorance. I assumed that they believed what I was told that atheists believed. But, I have learned that atheists are people just like everyone else, and each one of them is different. So, instead of immediately trying to trip them up with a loaded question, I learn about the individual I am speaking Scott Lolmaughnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-184838682708294242012-12-14T11:27:16.003-08:002012-12-14T11:27:16.003-08:00I agree completely.I agree completely.Reason_Beingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-39416511651606482282012-12-14T08:48:27.840-08:002012-12-14T08:48:27.840-08:00I start by telling them I'm arguing from the w...I start by telling them I'm arguing from the weak atheism position (or, as I prefer, the agnostic atheist position) then ask for a little qualififing infomation from them, questions 1, 2 and 6. I don't ask about evolution or hell unless it comes up and it isn't already obvious, but ideally I'd like to know in advance. Anytime I bring up question 5 it becomes a debate of its own Grundyhttp://deityshmeity.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-51736712234589702882012-12-14T08:20:49.023-08:002012-12-14T08:20:49.023-08:00Far too many snowflakes out there, huh? How long ...Far too many snowflakes out there, huh? How long does it normally take you to get to the point in a debate when you can actually speak the same language? Have you tried implementing the full questionnaire yet? I'm guessing you'll have to work it into the conversation as opposed to just listing out the questions, but I could be wrong.<br /><br /><br />It's interesting that you say #TWFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-71250796494630941652012-12-14T06:06:20.628-08:002012-12-14T06:06:20.628-08:00That's a really good point :)That's a really good point :)Hausdorffhttp://hausdorffbb.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-88957250349954950332012-12-14T06:04:24.572-08:002012-12-14T06:04:24.572-08:00I feel exactly the same, but just accepting 6 is e...I feel exactly the same, but just accepting 6 is easier for me to explain during a debate.Grundyhttp://deityshmeity.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-54835250193116987462012-12-14T05:50:33.062-08:002012-12-14T05:50:33.062-08:00Number 5 is a hard one. Once you admit that there ...Number 5 is a hard one. Once you admit that there might be some errors in the book, where do you stop?<br /><br /><br />And yeah, I've heard people use decimals for dawkins scale before. I don't know if that was Dawkins original intention, but I like it this way. While a 6 seems fairly descriptive, it really doesn't capture it. You can't be 100% certain of anything, but you can Hausdorffhttp://hausdorffbb.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-52117752342405906092012-12-13T17:53:04.106-08:002012-12-13T17:53:04.106-08:00I'd say good luck getting anyone to fill that ...I'd say good luck getting anyone to fill that out honestly. Most people never stop to think much about their religious beliefs and the questions you've provided will require them to do so. At best, I'd expect a few vague words for each question that really doesn't tie down what they actually believe.<br /><br /><br />That's too bad because it would greatly improve religious Cephushttp://BitchSpot.JadeDragonOnline.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-47656127217859479172012-12-13T17:24:46.395-08:002012-12-13T17:24:46.395-08:00The more specifically a god is defined, the less I...The more specifically a god is defined, the less I believe in him/she/it. :-)Grundyhttp://deityshmeity.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-17968165326351328562012-12-13T17:23:06.559-08:002012-12-13T17:23:06.559-08:00I didn't know decimals were an option or I'...I didn't know decimals were an option or I'd go with 6.9 too.<br /><br /><br />I find that Catholics and Baptists own up to their religion easy, some even admit to doctrine they don't follow, but evangelicals and fundamentalists rarely say anything other than "christian." Theists don't tend to answer number five. It might make them uncomfortable...seems pretty straight Grundyhttp://deityshmeity.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-74668440003762873872012-12-13T13:35:29.674-08:002012-12-13T13:35:29.674-08:00Great job Grundy. I feel that you are spot on in ...Great job Grundy. I feel that you are spot on in identifying some of the problems that we encounter when debating theists. I also think the Dawkins scale is an important tool when applied to the correct god. Like you, I am De-Facto atheist towards most identifiable gods, but when we get to some abstract concept that no religion on this planet really worships (other than something like Reason_Beingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-28780652358304204962012-12-13T12:07:55.348-08:002012-12-13T12:07:55.348-08:00Good luck getting them to fill this out :)
I thin...Good luck getting them to fill this out :)<br /><br />I think it is interesting that you point out you are a 6 for Vishnu. I usually think of myself as a 6.9, but I guess that really is for Yahweh. I suppose I would be a 6 for pretty much any other God as I don't know much about them.Hausdorffhttp://hausdorffbb.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.com