tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post7247201925422687955..comments2024-03-11T21:16:59.321-07:00Comments on Deity Shmeity: Rights, Responsibilities, & JusticeGrundyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07339125862340793733noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-51190742184264091642020-06-17T06:22:54.982-07:002020-06-17T06:22:54.982-07:00I completely agree with you that responsibilities ...I completely agree with you that responsibilities are an incentive to act and recognizing rights. In this life we have a lot of responsibilities!Roger Foxhttp://www.baltic-legal.com/business-support-services-eng.htmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-74409894422442972292019-01-09T10:29:31.293-08:002019-01-09T10:29:31.293-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Grundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07339125862340793733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-21482342986455657622019-01-09T10:29:07.912-08:002019-01-09T10:29:07.912-08:00Can you really think of no secular reasons for a p...Can you really think of no secular reasons for a person not to steal? Even independent of explicit law enforcement officers, the neighbor could intervene directly killing the potential thief or getting killed by the potential thief, upping the thief's crime to murder with the weight of further consequences. The thief could be outted by the neighbor or an observer, which would result in Grundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07339125862340793733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-41793288324951466152019-01-09T10:08:12.022-08:002019-01-09T10:08:12.022-08:00Okay, I can't figure out how to continue reply...Okay, I can't figure out how to continue replying in the thread above. Continuing here...<br /><br />All you're talking about is the avoidance of possibly unpleasant consequences. The police routinely disregard property crimes, because it's not worth their time. The thief might (correctly) judge that the risk is therefore worth it. So, why should the thief refrain from stealing? What Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03485128524131527691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-85596888793722270582019-01-09T10:05:38.978-08:002019-01-09T10:05:38.978-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03485128524131527691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-39736877520775991182019-01-09T07:57:34.858-08:002019-01-09T07:57:34.858-08:00If he takes the car, there are consequences. He, t...If he takes the car, there are consequences. He, the neighbor, and other observers see that the taker disregards the rights of the neighbor and his own responsibilities. The taker gets held responsible and forced to return the car/pay for it/serve time/or whatever applies in a given case.<br /><br />The basis for rights, responsibilities, and justice are there. Your further questions speak to theGrundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07339125862340793733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-21699758820839150052019-01-09T07:37:36.047-08:002019-01-09T07:37:36.047-08:00That doesn't answer why wants are warrants, i....That doesn't answer why wants are warrants, i.e. justifications. If someone wants his neighbor's car, should he take it? His want is a motivation to take it. He'll be happy if he does. He doesn't like his neighbor, so he doesn't worry about how his neighbor feels about it. How do you evaluate the goodness or badness of this situation within your derived morality?<br /><br />IsAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03485128524131527691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-71536043760483692622019-01-09T06:00:03.971-08:002019-01-09T06:00:03.971-08:00"Wants" provide motivation to act a cert..."Wants" provide motivation to act a certain way. What you want is an incentive to act in a way to allows you to get it. What you don't want is a disincentive, prompting people to act in the way that avoids it.<br /><br />Hurt can mean pain, discomfort, loss, ect.<br /><br />True, sometimes one group hurts outsiders, but that doesn't mean that within the group rights/Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12384447512175143295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-33797102336688390612019-01-08T13:51:49.985-08:002019-01-08T13:51:49.985-08:00Why are "wants" warrants for behavior?
...Why are "wants" warrants for behavior?<br /><br />What constitutes "hurt"?<br /><br />What happens if most people want to not work, so they get together and decide to enslave all the other people? Is that therefore moral, because it's what most people want?<br /><br />Sometimes groups of people get together and hurt other people, and this increases group cohesion. These Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03485128524131527691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-15405270537012110462019-01-08T13:42:31.456-08:002019-01-08T13:42:31.456-08:00Yeah, but this is for an apologist. She's an a...Yeah, but this is for an apologist. She's an astrophysicist, sure, but I still can't assume she accepts the Theory of Evolution. I try to keep evolution out of it.<br /><br />Premises 2 & 3 are a given because I say "most." I'd bet everything I have that I would end up on the happy side of a survey asking "Do you want to be hurt/alone?" Yes/No.Grundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07339125862340793733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3217153430513050163.post-46150004304673810542019-01-08T12:47:16.234-08:002019-01-08T12:47:16.234-08:00Although this is valid and sound, logic is a poor ...Although this is valid and sound, logic is a poor substitute for reality. It would be more sound if you introduce the group evolutionary aspects of this reasoning. Note that your reasoning is fundamentally based on premises 2 and 3. This are not a given, except for social evolution and social animals. Social evolution provides a more solid ground than simple feelings.Edgar Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12876467122119993446noreply@blogger.com